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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:17 pm
by OscarGuy
I'm all about spreading the love around and I was rather surprised to see both LL Cool J and RHCP on the list since I didn't even know they'd been recording for that long...and definitely in the case of LL Cool J, I couldn't understand why they were on the list to begin with. I may not be a musical historian, but there are certainly more important musicians out there than LL Cool J.
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:24 pm
by Damien
Eric wrote:Re: Janet (and, for that matter, ABBA and Donna) ... I wasn't even passing judgement subjectively. Who am I to? I love Janet more than the Beatles or Bob Dylan (especially Bob Dylan!).
I was more arguing that there are certainly some who question how loose the definition should be on the "Rock & Roll" component of the institution's title. Kiss and Kiss fans, mainly.
I heard a nerdy guy on the elevator complaining to his nerdy buddy that it's outrageous that Kiss and Alice Cooper aren't in the Hall of Fame while Percy Sledge is. I looked at him more with pity than disdain.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:59 pm
by OscarGuy
The R&R HoF long ago abandoned their solely-R&R nomenclature. They've inducted Jazz artists, Rap artists, Country artists and even plenty of R&B folk already inducted.
Most of the artists we're talking about, many of whom have ardent non-admirers on this board, have influenced future generations of artists.
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:19 pm
by Eric
Re: Janet (and, for that matter, ABBA and Donna) ... I wasn't even passing judgement subjectively. Who am I to? I love Janet more than the Beatles or Bob Dylan (especially Bob Dylan!).
I was more arguing that there are certainly some who question how loose the definition should be on the "Rock & Roll" component of the institution's title. Kiss and Kiss fans, mainly.
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:16 pm
by Damien
Penelope wrote:And, in defense of ABBA:
Elvis Costello took lines from Dancing Queen for one of his own songs and told Rolling Stone he kept ABBA Gold in his car and studied their technique.
U2 were strongly influenced by ABBA and had Bjorn and Benny performing onstage.
The Sex Pistols reached out to ABBA and were hardcore fans.
Led Zeppelin went to their concerts.
Kurt Cobain heavily admired their melodies and influenced his songwriting.
People who have covered their songs have confessed how difficult they are--especially those masterful harmonies that the ladies achieved.
I still find them unlistenable.
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:02 pm
by Penelope
And, in defense of ABBA:
Elvis Costello took lines from Dancing Queen for one of his own songs and told Rolling Stone he kept ABBA Gold in his car and studied their technique.
U2 were strongly influenced by ABBA and had Bjorn and Benny performing onstage.
The Sex Pistols reached out to ABBA and were hardcore fans.
Led Zeppelin went to their concerts.
Kurt Cobain heavily admired their melodies and influenced his songwriting.
People who have covered their songs have confessed how difficult they are--especially those masterful harmonies that the ladies achieved.
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:32 am
by OscarGuy
Entirely unfair comparison. TTT and Vanilla Ice were relative one-hit wonders.
Janet Jackson has had six number one studio albums (more than her brother, mind you).
Billboard magazine ranks her as one of the top ten best-selling music artists in contemporary music history, selling more than 100 million albums around the world. RIAA lists her as the 11th best selling female artist in history.
Her music videos have influenced countless others and with Pleasure Principle, Rhythm Nation, Love Will Never Do Without You and That's the Way Love Goes among the most famous.
She has 10 number one singles on the Bill board charts, just three less than her brother Michael and also below only The Beatles (20), Whitney Houston (11), Madonna (12), The Supremes (12), Mariah Carey (18), Elvis Presley (17), and tied with Stevie Wonder.
She's had 27 top 10 singles, tying Mariah Carey, Stevie Wonder and Elton John and coming in only behind Michael, The Beatles, Elvis and Madonna. And if you count B-sides that charted separately, she would pop above Michael and come in behind only Madonna, Elvis and the Beatles with 29.
Her Rhythym Nation 1814 album had 7 top ten hits, a feat only accomplished by two other albums, Thriller and Born in the USA.
Grammys: She's the only artist to receive nominations in Dance, Pop, Rap, Rock and R&B Categories. She has 28 Grammy nominations and five Grammies.
So, it's not like she doesn't have critical acclaim to back up her amazing success. So, how that compares with Vanilla Ice or TTT is a leap in logic that completely escapes me.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:39 pm
by FilmFan720
My favorites growing up were Tony, Toni, Tone and Vanilla Ice...I don't want either to ever get into the Hall of Fame.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:50 pm
by OscarGuy
Meh. She was my favorite artist growing up...so, of course, I want her to make it in some day.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:09 pm
by Eric
OscarGuy wrote:Shouldn't Janet Jackson be eligible for this thing? Or did she get inducted and I missed it?
I think you just gave a certain demographic on this board an aneurysm.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:53 pm
by Damien
dws1982 wrote:I say it most every year, but: Gram Parsons.
I knew there was somebody I was forgetting.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:35 pm
by OscarGuy
Shouldn't Janet Jackson be eligible for this thing? Or did she get inducted and I missed it?
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:15 pm
by dws1982
I say it most every year, but: Gram Parsons.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:45 am
by Damien
Of these nominees, I'd vote for the Chili Peppers, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, the Chantels and the Hollies. Cliff.
But these non-nominees should be at the front of the line to get in: The Marvelettes, Jerry Butler, Tom Waits, Randy Newman, Phil Ochs, Mary Wells, Willie Nelson and Joe Tex.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:10 am
by Penelope
I'd vote for Donna Summer, ABBA and The Hollies.