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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:56 am
by Big Magilla
It's difficult to understand only if you look at performance alone, but not if you consider everything else that goes into awards consideration.
My choice: Glenn Close in The World According to Garp.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:51 am
by HarryGoldfarb
But I can relate to what Reza said... By merits alone, it's hard to understand how Lange could pulled a win out of that performance.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:11 am
by Big Magilla
Reza wrote:Big Magilla wrote:For my money, though, Dana Hill outshines both Keaton and Finney but with a supporting actress line-up as strong as the one that year (Close, Garr, Lange, Stanley, Warren), she didn't have a chance in hell of being nominated.
I could easily replace Jessica Lange on this list with Dana Hill.
Still don't understand why Lange was not only nominated but also won the award.
Sure you do. It was a consolation prize. They couldn't give her best actress over Meryl Streep so they did the next best thing.
Lange was pretty much dismissed as Mikhail Baryshnikov's bubble-head girlfriend after King Kong. The Postman Always Rings Twice made them sit up and notice, but the one-two punch success of Frances and Tootsie, two completely different types of roles, established her as a serious actress who also excelled at comedy.
The Oscar was Hollywood's way of saying "we were wrong about you".
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:42 am
by Reza
Big Magilla wrote:For my money, though, Dana Hill outshines both Keaton and Finney but with a supporting actress line-up as strong as the one that year (Close, Garr, Lange, Stanley, Warren), she didn't have a chance in hell of being nominated.
I could easily replace Jessica Lange on this list with Dana Hill.
Still don't understand why Lange was not only nominated but also won the award.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:37 am
by Reza
Precious Doll wrote:
Also Amazon's UK site.
Thanks guys.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:48 am
by Big Magilla
Damien wrote:flipp525 wrote:It's hard to see how this film was so ignored by the Academy at the time of its release. The only thing I can think of is that it was covering ground similar to what Ordinary People had two years earlier, although that seems too flimsy of an excuse. I definitely would've supported nominations for Keaton and Hill in lead and supporting, respectively.
Back in 1982, people really hated Shoot The Moon, probably because of its unrelenting tone. It was highly touted Still Keaton was talked up as a possible Best Actress nominee. I think Finney is even better.
My recollection of 1982 is that Meryl Streep was early on the presumptive winner for Sophie's Choice with Jessica Lange (Frances) and Julie Andrews (Victor/Victoria) certain nominees with Keaton, Sissy Spacek (Missing) and Debra Winger (An Officer and a Gentleman) in a neck and neck race for for the remaining slots.
For my money, though, Dana Hill outshines both Keaton and Finney but with a supporting actress line-up as strong as the one that year (Close, Garr, Lange, Stanley, Warren), she didn't have a chance in hell of being nominated.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:45 am
by Precious Doll
Big Magilla wrote:Reza wrote:Precious Doll wrote:I purchased a DVD box set of 6 Anna Neagle films sometime ago to obtain a copy of Victoria The Great.
Where did you find this box set? Can't find it on Amazon.
http://www.moviemail-online.co.uk/scripts....age.y=0
Also Amazon's UK site.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:33 am
by Big Magilla
Penelope wrote:Star! (1968; Robert Wise) 3/10
Dull, overblown biography of Gertrude Lawrence (Julie Andrews, in one of her least interesting performances). The epitome of bad late 1960s musicals.
It's certainly overlong, but the musical sequences are quite enjoyable. Julie makes a marvelous Gertie and Daniel Massey perfectly captures his real life godfather, Noel Coward.
It would have been better if they had concentrated less on Gertie's marriages and more on her stage career. The film should have ended with her all but dying on stage during a performance of The King and I and her burial in the ball gown she wore while singing "Shall We Dance?".
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:24 am
by Big Magilla
Reza wrote:Precious Doll wrote:I purchased a DVD box set of 6 Anna Neagle films sometime ago to obtain a copy of Victoria The Great.
Where did you find this box set? Can't find it on Amazon.
http://www.moviemail-online.co.uk/scripts....age.y=0
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:12 am
by Reza
Precious Doll wrote:I purchased a DVD box set of 6 Anna Neagle films sometime ago to obtain a copy of Victoria The Great.
Where did you find this box set? Can't find it on Amazon.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:48 am
by Precious Doll
The Violent Men (1955) Rudolph Mate 6/10
I purchased a DVD box set of 6 Anna Neagle films sometime ago to obtain a copy of Victoria The Great. I have finally got around to viewing the rest and needless to say they don't match Victoria The Great or The Lady with the Lamp in quality terms.
I Live in Grosvenor Square (1945) Herbert Wilcox 5/10
Sixty Glorious Years (1938) Herbert Wilcox 6/10
Derby Day (1952) Herbert Wilcox 4/10
The Lady is a Square (1959) Herbert Wilcox 4/10
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:36 am
by Reza
Callas Forever (Franco Zeffirelli, 2002) 7/10
Facinating fictional film about Maria Callas making a comeback in a film version of Carmen. Fanny Ardant is amazing as the temperamental diva.
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:57 pm
by Penelope
Star! (1968; Robert Wise) 3/10
Dull, overblown biography of Gertrude Lawrence (Julie Andrews, in one of her least interesting performances). The epitome of bad late 1960s musicals.
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:01 pm
by Damien
Penelope wrote:The Best Way to Walk (1976; Claude Miller) 7.5/10
That wasn't the title it was released as in the U.S. It might have been just The Best Way, but I can't remember because I hated it. And I couldnt stand Patrick Dewaere
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:09 pm
by Penelope
The Best Way to Walk (1976; Claude Miller) 7.5/10
At a boys summer camp in 1960, two counselors (Patrick Dewaere, Patrick Bouchitey) become involved in a tense game of humilation and desire. Even at 86 minutes, it's still perhaps a little too lengthy, but also still very involving, especially thanks to the superlative performances of the two leads; Dewaere, particularly, is magnetic.