New Developments III

[Big Magilla]

We were born too soon.

In 200 years, if the earth is still here, a future generation of filmmakers will only be making films about this time in the U.S. as farce. It will be completely alien to the culture.

[Sabin]

The hit’s keep coming.
(NOTE: Edited my post to be less doomer-y; that said, I am going to reach out to my ex who didn’t want children)


https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/11035958 ... ate-change

Supreme Court restricts the EPA's authority to mandate carbon emissions reductions

“The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday dealt a major blow to the Environmental Protection Agency's power to regulate carbon emissions that cause climate change. The decision by the conservative court majority sets the stage for further limitations on the regulatory power of other agencies as well.

By a vote of 6 to 3, the court said that any time an agency does something big and new – in this case addressing climate change – the regulation is presumptively invalid, unless Congress has specifically authorized regulating in this sphere.”

[Okri]

You can be pissed and go vote for them. That's what Republicans do.
It stinks but nobody said that protecting democracy was going to be easy.

I don't think Beto, AOC, or Sabin will deny the Democrats their votes (I'm not American). That stated, I don't know how you look at what's coming from the White House and say that it's equal to the moment.

[Big Magilla]

You can be pissed and go vote for them. That's what Republicans do.
It stinks but nobody said that protecting democracy was going to be easy.

Yes!

[taki15]

taki15 wrote
I can't believe that this question is still asked after four years of Trump. Things can always get worse. If there a result similar to 2020 do you think a Republican congress will certify Biden's win?
Republicans hate their party even more than Democrats. But they always keep their eyes on the prize and go vote. And that's how they got a right-wing SCOTUS and their current big wins.

Dude, Roe v. Wade was just overturned. I'm allowed to be pissed off at my party for not doing a better job at defending it. Like Okri says, you're absolutely right. I understand where you're coming from, but you're also ignoring that what they are trying to do, their project, is a lot easier to achieve and rally people around than what we are trying to do. You're basically saying Fascists are better at organizing. Yeah, funny that.

I believe that any woman who wants to be pissed off at Democrats for not doing a better job at defending Roe v. Wade is allowed to be pissed off without being told that she's just going to turn the country over to Republicans again or accused of being a Putin stooge.

You can be pissed and go vote for them. That's what Republicans do.
It stinks but nobody said that protecting democracy was going to be easy.

[Sabin]

taki15 wrote
I can't believe that this question is still asked after four years of Trump. Things can always get worse. If there a result similar to 2020 do you think a Republican congress will certify Biden's win?
Republicans hate their party even more than Democrats. But they always keep their eyes on the prize and go vote. And that's how they got a right-wing SCOTUS and their current big wins.

Dude, Roe v. Wade was just overturned. I'm allowed to be pissed off at my party for not doing a better job at defending it. Like Okri says, you're absolutely right. I understand where you're coming from, but you're also ignoring that what they are trying to do, their project, is a lot easier to achieve and rally people around than what we are trying to do. You're basically saying Fascists are better at organizing. Yeah, funny that.

I believe that any woman who wants to be pissed off at Democrats for not doing a better job at defending Roe v. Wade is allowed to be pissed off without being told that she's just going to turn the country over to Republicans again or accused of being a Putin stooge.

Anyway, I have no idea what is going on inside the Biden White House, what options are being discussed, but it would appear the answer is "Give us the votes, we'll pass it into law." I just watched Kamala Harris interviewed by Dana Bash and she communicated as much (plus shooting down federal land acccess). I am concerned about how well a "Give us the votes and we promise to do x" tactic will work for the Democrats at this point, but it's probably the best play they have. But if that's their play, someone needs to get out there and be the face of the party and persuasively, urgently ask the American people for a mandate to do this. Kamala Harris' energy in the Dana Bash interview wasn't it. I don't care who it is. I know we're months out. But it needs to happen. I'm not asking for AOC radicalism. I am asking for "Not dithery."

Again, that is only if that's what they're going for. I don't claim to know what is being discussed, but I can't imagine it's anything more than that (federal land access) and anything less (trying to convince the American people to give them a mandate to codify Roe) would be beyond disappointing.

[Okri]

I don't think that's a fair answer to the question, to be frank, but I also completely understand where you're coming from.

[taki15]

taki, I understand where you're coming from, but what exactly are the Democrats offering to prevent the scenario from getting worse? I think we all understand that it's essential to get as many Democrats in elected positions as possible, but does it feel to you that the party itself knows that as a truism and will do everything in its power to make sure that happens?

I can't believe that this question is still asked after four years of Trump. Things can always get worse. If there a result similar to 2020 do you think a Republican congress will certify Biden's win?
Republicans hate their party even more than Democrats. But they always keep their eyes on the prize and go vote. And that's how they got a right-wing SCOTUS and their current big wins.

[OscarGuy]

Besides, I'm pretty sure the Dems tried to codify it right after the draft opinion was released and it died in the Senate as all things do now because there are only 50 Dems and 2 of them refuse to change the filibuster... myopically, I might add.

[Okri]

taki, I understand where you're coming from, but what exactly are the Democrats offering to prevent the scenario from getting worse? I think we all understand that it's essential to get as many Democrats in elected positions as possible, but does it feel to you that the party itself knows that as a truism and will do everything in its power to make sure that happens?

[taki15]

taki15 wrote
Are these people even Democrats or are they the same Putin stooges who spent the entire 2016 campaign saying that there is no difference between Hillary and Trump?

I'm inclined to say that the protesters are real. I've heard a lot of rhetoric from people in my social sphere much to that effect, unless you're suggesting that my social sphere has been infiltrated by Putin stooges which is very flattering. I didn't know I was so important.

In that case they remind me of the husband who cut off his genitals to punish his unfaithful wife.

[Sabin]

taki15 wrote
Are these people even Democrats or are they the same Putin stooges who spent the entire 2016 campaign saying that there is no difference between Hillary and Trump?

I'm inclined to say that the protesters are real. I've heard a lot of rhetoric from people in my social sphere much to that effect, unless you're suggesting that my social sphere has been infiltrated by Putin stooges which is very flattering. I didn't know I was so important.

[taki15]

Are these people even Democrats or are they the same Putin stooges who spent the entire 2016 campaign saying that there is no difference between Hillary and Trump?

[Sabin]

The right wing aren't the only ones earning the ire of young Dems.

Democrats protest Beto O'Rourke: "Democrats we call your bluff, voting blue is not enough."
https://twitter.com/SocialistAlt/status ... 0143774722

Two young women angry at the Roe results, the instant fundraising requests from Democrats, and the failure of Dems to codify Roe years ago.
https://twitter.com/AmandiOnAir/status/ ... 8433055751

And of course, AOC.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1540755948758859777

I'll say this. Twitter isn't a real place nor is it representative of the country or party as a whole. Also, Obama gets a little too much shit right now for not codifying Roe v. Wade into law considering the economy was going off a cliff, he was trying to pass the ACA, and we only had a super majority for 72 days (not 1-2 years as some are claiming). 72 days that ended abruptly and unexpectedly with the death of Ted Kennedy, which I suppose wasn't out of nowhere, but anyway...

There are reasons why Democrats didn't codify Roe v. Wade into law earlier -- boring reasons, not great reasons -- but Democrats couldn't have done a worse job of explaining it if they sent out fundraising emails (oh wait, they did) while reading poetry (oh wait, they did). Why shouldn't people be furious with a party that doesn't seem to mind being permanently cucked?

Our need for a time machine is manifesting as big split-the-party energy.

[Sonic Youth]

unless

Well, there's always an "unless" isn't there? They'll find one. Separation of Church and State is a sound doctrine unless it conflicts with First Amendment freedom of assembly rights, etc.