Re: New Developments III
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:35 am
He'll have about the same impact as Kanye West who four years ago was supposedly going to siphon black votes away from Biden and throw the election to Trump.
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Sonic Youth wrote
But... isn't this good? It would siphon votes away from Trump.
Exactly. So much of politics comes down to vibes not policy, hence the Ron Paul->Bernie Sanders voters. We now live in a country where Democrats basically needs to overperform the Republican by 7-8mil to win, and Biden needs every independent he can swing. There’s absolutely a world where RFK Jr. takes away from only Trump but I wouldn’t bet on it because some of RFK Jr.’s appeal is left wing.danfrank wrote
I fear it would siphon even more votes away from Biden. In polls of Democrats, almost none of whom would be inclined to vote for Trump, about 15% have been saying they would vote for Kennedy over Biden. Of course a lot of these are going on name, and many don’t yet realize how batsh*t crazy Kennedy is, but it’s still scary.
I fear it would siphon even more votes away from Biden. In polls of Democrats, almost none of whom would be inclined to vote for Trump, about 15% have been saying they would vote for Kennedy over Biden. Of course a lot of these are going on name, and many don’t yet realize how batsh*t crazy Kennedy is, but it’s still scary.Sonic Youth wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:27 pmBut... isn't this good? It would siphon votes away from Trump.Sabin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:58 pm Sigh... here we go.
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Yes, it's bad for the state of the country, but we're kinda there anyway.
But... isn't this good? It would siphon votes away from Trump.Sabin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:58 pm Sigh... here we go.
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I didn't do a good job of making it clear that I was talking about the "She's pink right down to her underwear" Nixon.Big Magilla
I was going to school and working in 1960, the year I turned 17, but I did watch at least one of the Kennedy-Nixon debates, the first one in which cool, calm, self-assured Kennedy all but wiped the floor with sweaty, browbeaten Nixon. But there's a world of difference between
the gentlemanly Nixon and the spoiled brat Ramaswamy. Nixon probably meant most of what he said. Ramaswamy, like most of today's Republicans, just says what he thinks people want to hear.
I was going to school and working in 1960, the year I turned 17, but I did watch at least one of the Kennedy-Nixon debates, the first one in which cool, calm, self-assured Kennedy all but wiped the floor with sweaty, browbeaten Nixon. But there's a world of difference betweencriddic3 wrote
Ramaswamy is way worse than Nixon. I'm not of that generation; one removed (barely a 1977 baby), but at least Nixon had an actual interest in doing things for the country. The favorite seems to be his creation of the EPA, but he was also the guy who essentially said "okay so Kennedy might have stolen some votes in Chicago and cost me a close election but I'm gonna let it go and maybe I can come back someday." For all his personal flaws, he wasn't interested in being a dictator and believed in democracy. I'm not sure Ramaswamy does.
Before I begin my (too long) response, I gotta say, really heartening to read much of this, criddic.criddic3 wrote
As a former Republican, I can attest to the fact that Republicans used to actually talk sensibly about policy. Even then, I didn't always agree with everything in the platform, but the candidates were usually people with worthwhile credentials and who were mostly there with the intent to actually govern once they got the job.
The best thing I can say about Chris Christie is that he's doing a real service in being the main voice that says "Trump isn't the good guy you think he is," but it's way too late for that kind of wake up call in the GOP. Had he done it in 2020, maybe it could have resonated more. There are Republican voters out there who don't like Trump, but they hate Democrats more.
Ramaswamy is way worse than Nixon. I'm not of that generation; one removed (barely a 1977 baby), but at least Nixon had an actual interest in doing things for the country. The favorite seems to be his creation of the EPA, but he was also the guy who essentially said "okay so Kennedy might have stolen some votes in Chicago and cost me a close election but I'm gonna let it go and maybe I can come back someday." For all his personal flaws, he wasn't interested in being a dictator and believed in democracy. I'm not sure Ramaswamy does.
Nikki Haley is trying to make a case on policy grounds vs. Trump, but I don't think she has much of a chance here. The best she can hope for is being VP. Trump recently said he might like to have a woman on the ticket (probably to counter Kamala Harris).
While most of the country seems not to want it, this is likely going to be the first presidential re-rematch since 1956. I just don't understand why President Biden's numbers aren't better after all the good work he's done. But former Senator Claire McCaskill said something on Morning Joe that made sense: President Obama's numbers were almost identical in 2011 and he still won over Mitt Romney (who I voted for, full disclosure) in 2012 pretty handily.
As a former Republican, I can attest to the fact that Republicans used to actually talk sensibly about policy. Even then, I didn't always agree with everything in the platform, but the candidates were usually people with worthwhile credentials and who were mostly there with the intent to actually govern once they got the job.Sabin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:39 am I'm honestly having a hard time remembering Republican debates before Donald Trump. Did they ever make points or policy proposals? Was it always just bickering and sabrerattling?
He really is just there to attack Trump, isn't he? It's not working. I never thought he'd be able to bring his party back but I thought he'd carve out a more effective strategy. If I didn't say it elsewhere, I just don't think the debate stage is his best format. He's better in town halls. Everything Tim Scott said just made me sad but I bet he hung onto some donors. I'm mentally scanning to see whom I forgot and I realized I left off the former Vice President. He disappeared.
And then there's Vivek Ramaswamay. I don't think I've ever hated a Presidential candidate so much in my life. I hated Donald Trump but at least there were the fond memories of him bashing the Republicans.
Whenever I write about Vivek Ramaswamay I just keep coming back to Is this how the elders on the Board felt about Nixon? Is Vivek Ramaswamay my Nixon? Someone in my age cohort whose every utterance rings cynical, huckstery, and bullshit?
I just think they're dragging their heels on it because they know him, maybe they like him, I don't know...OscarGuy wrote
Part of the tactic, the Dems may be using right now is not to jump at every indictment as being reason for expulsion. They are concerned that a Trump White House will weaponize the judiciary and file fake indictments against every Dem in a red state just to get them out and appoint a Rep replacement. Honestly, if the Republican Party were sane, this wouldn't be fathomable, but they aren't and it is. That said, he really does need to go.
And I doubt that New Jersey Dems will return Menendez to his seat in 2024 since they know they would lose it if they don't. I don't anticipate Menendez being the Democratic nominee for the US Senate for New Jersey next year.