OscarGuy wrote:And Sonic's referring specifically to exit polls showing a more solidly pro-Hillary bias to latinos and asian americans of ALL ages. Hillary has the solid support of middle age and elder white voters. It's the trend and I think what Sonic is trying to say that black or white, the black voters will still vote largely for the democratic candidate. latinos and asian americans tend to be moderate in their voting trends, which means with such solid support, Hillary would have the better chance of carrying those voters in the election than Obama.
Correction: I didn't see any age breakdowns for Asians in the exit polls, probably because they're too small a constituency for pollsters to study.
There's no question that racism ain't limited to whitey. I'd have thought that went without saying. But since people cling to a ridiculous, simplistic fallacy that UNLESS YOU SAY SOMETHING WITH GREAT EXPLICITNESS it then means YOU SO CLEARLY TAKE THE OPPOSITE POSITION OF WHAT YOU DIDN'T SAY IN THE FIRST PLACE, then I have to elaborate my meaning. Otherwise, who knows what other fantasies we might extrapolate in between the lines of what I write?
Obviously, anyone who's shocked to see racism between non-white groups is naive. It's just as naive - astonishingly naive - to say racism is the exclusive reason and leave it at that. It's also lazy, taking the simplest answer and not wanting to do the hard work of any deeper analysis. There must be plenty of reasons why Latinos and Asians came out in full-force for Hillary, and I was wondering what they were.
Since no one else wants to figure it out, I'll try. There's also economics. Bodega owners or immigrants forced to work crap jobs in poor, urban neighborhoods to pay for grad school - and who come face to face with sometimes intimidating prejudice as a result - will have a different experience with black-*fill-in-the-blank* relations than someone else might. Their associations with black people will be different from those of white, upper-middle class graduates of affluent universities whose close contact with the black community has mostly been with college professors (much like Obama himself!) and who have the luxury to be broad-minded (while having no difficulty getting through airport security or hailing a cab). And since there's a correlation of race and economic standing all throughout the country, this could be one reason.
But we can't stop there. Let's not forget that the polls say that among white voters, Obama does best with the super-educated and wealthy. Among ALL races, there is a subtle distinction between the wealthy, highly-educated, upper-middle class, white-collars, and the poorer, less educated, mid-lower class, blue-collars. We all know that Obama's not making great inroads with the working class whites. But he's not making significant inroads with working class members of ANY race other than black.
And then there's simple history. There was a huge increase of Asian and Latino naturalization during the '90s, when Bill Clinton was president. And at the time, this period was being touted as a golden age of promise and prosperity. (And under this fool president, it sure looks that way in retrospect more and more.) Maybe immigrants just have fond memories of the '90s - they were less demonized then than they are now. So, I'd say it's natural that they feel indebted to the Clintons. It's just identity politics (as opposed to racism, which is very different).
If anyone wants to discuss the above in-depth, I'll be happy to. But please check your superficialities at the door.
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