We were Canadian, so by GWB definition "terr'ists."
-- cam
So, I guess that whole Freedom Fries debacle in DC was a figment of our imaginations. Good to know. I would hate to think anyone harbored ill feelings towards any other nationality...
-- Oscarguy
This was exactly my point. First of all, GWB never said anything about Canadians being terrorists that I recall. Second, the Freedom Fries thing is part of what I had in mind with reference to France at the time. I never heard anyone talk ill of Canada after 9/11 for terrorism. In fact the only things I've heard people complain about Canada are its Health Care and Same-sex Unions. Not terrorism. Then again, I don't live in a border state. I am from New York.
Wow...sarcasm is completely lost on you. The whole point was if the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT was going to be so ludicrous in its decision to rename French Fries (which originated in Belgium) to Freedom Fries as protest for the French objection to war in Iraq, then why wouldn't the rest of the country suffer a great deal of xenophobia after their homeland was attacked.
It doesn't matter WHERE you're from, a Xenophobe just needs an excuse to make his personal opinions about "foreigners" known and is thus given umbrage by those who are sheep and tend to follow the popular tend towards discrimination.
That our government can't adequately defend the rights and responsibilities of gay couples in their own country, I shouldn't be surprised that discrimination is so prevelant.
Wesley Lovell
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
criddic3 wrote:Sure. why not? I live on an island called Long Island, and in this place I never heard anyone accuse Canadians of being "terrorists in hiding" as cam claims.
I've now diagnosed your mental health problem. It's pathological insularity.
Obviously, in your mind Long Island is to New York state as the U.S. is to the rest of the world.
Sure. why not? I live on an island called Long Island, and in this place I never heard anyone accuse Canadians of being "terrorists in hiding" as cam claims.
"Because here’s the thing about life: There’s no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days when you need a hand. There are other days when we’re called to lend a hand." -- President Joe Biden, 01/20/2021
We were Canadian, so by GWB definition "terr'ists."
-- cam
So, I guess that whole Freedom Fries debacle in DC was a figment of our imaginations. Good to know. I would hate to think anyone harbored ill feelings towards any other nationality...
-- Oscarguy
This was exactly my point. First of all, GWB never said anything about Canadians being terrorists that I recall. Second, the Freedom Fries thing is part of what I had in mind with reference to France at the time. I never heard anyone talk ill of Canada after 9/11 for terrorism. In fact the only things I've heard people complain about Canada are its Health Care and Same-sex Unions. Not terrorism. Then again, I don't live in a border state. I am from New York.
"Because here’s the thing about life: There’s no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days when you need a hand. There are other days when we’re called to lend a hand." -- President Joe Biden, 01/20/2021
BBC NEWS
June 5th, 2007
Most of Baghdad 'not controlled'
US and Iraqi forces control fewer than one-third of Baghdad's neighbourhoods, according to a review of a security crackdown in the city since February.
An interim US military assessment says sectarian violence has diminished in some areas, but is particularly serious in Sunni-Shia areas of west Baghdad.
More than 20,000 US reinforcements are being deployed as part of the campaign.
Details of the report came as police said they had shot a suspected female suicide bomber in east Baghdad.
An interior ministry spokesman said the woman in traditional Muslim dress, walked towards a police recruiting centre and ignored calls to stop.
Three police recruits received minor wounds from the explosion. The woman died at the scene of the attack.
"Some elements of the mechanised brigade saw a suspicious woman and ordered her to stop, but she didn't respond and approached the recruits, so they opened fire on her and she exploded," a police spokesman said.
Although suicide bombings are a frequent occurrence in Iraq, female bombers are relatively rare.
'Iraqi failures'
A US military spokesman said it would not be possible to judge the success of the Baghdad security plan until all the extra units had been put in place.
"It's going to get harder before it gets easier," Lt-Col Christopher Garver said. "We know it's going to be a tough fight over the summer."
Details of the interim assessment included information that US and Iraq forces were in control of just 146 of Baghdad's 457 districts.
The report highlighted a failure of Iraqi police and army units to provide all the forces promised to carry out basic security tasks including manning checkpoints and conducting patrols.
May had the third highest death toll of American soldiers, 127, since the US-led invasion to overthrow the government of Saddam Hussein in March 2003.
Thousands of Iraqis have been killed since February.
Correspondents say there was a significant reduction in the number of sectarian killings early on in crackdown, but numbers have now risen again, with dozens of bodies being found in Baghdad almost every day.
President George W Bush won a tough battle with opposition-controlled Congress to fund the crackdown and is under pressure to show progress or start bringing troops home.
So, I guess that whole Freedom Fries debacle in DC was a figment of our imaginations. Good to know. I would hate to think anyone harbored ill feelings towards any other nationality...
Wesley Lovell
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
I don't know, criddic, where you were or what you were doing at that time, SO LONG AGO , except drinking Bush beer (guaranteed to be very expensive, but you never get high, just bloated from trapped gas) .
Let me try to explain a few things to you to perhaps ponder when you start being stupid.
What I told you was true at the time. In Whatcom or Skagit countries, adjoining the main borders from Canada,ALL foreigners were "noticed", particularly if you were South or East Asian tourists or Chinese, or Middle Eastern.
And tell me why, for God's sakes , I would want to put up someone else's flag in my own house window? In the country? Where are lots of guns, as I told you. Initially, Canadians were thought to be hiding terrorists. Later, it was because our men were in Afghanistan and we could not afford a war on another. We were Canadian, so by GWB definition "terr'ists." Mix us up with France? Wha?
Let me repeat, reading your last missive , reaffirmed my belief that you have a very selective memory. But then --it's so HARD these days, pout, to try to keep up with trying to explain all the pratfalls of your buddies. Man!
I have said before: I do not understand why the board doesn't totally ignore you.
Why argue to try to explain reality to a young man who has an already closed mind? Such a shame, too; we must all remember to comfort him( whatever) when the GOP leaves on permanent vacation. Will his stripes change?
Do you want him on OUR side? One would only guess, but , even if you were on criddic's side, then we haven't heard a lot from you, as you are no doubt, embarrassed to be on His Side.
We'll keep your secret.
cam wrote:criddic. You are as stupid as you are uninformed about "foreigners". You misunderstood, as usual, for your own purposes, how needlessly threatened Canadians were in 2001 to2004. It is as if WE were the enemy, because we did not support the ridiculous charade of war-mongering that you seem to defend.
Don't notice YOU going to war for your country as my father, both grandfaters, and three uncles did.
Possibly you are as chicken as you are stupid, or maybe you did not pass the intelligence test, or argued with your superiors. How glad I am that I don't know you personally. I can hardly with till 2008. Bye criddic.
Well you are right about one thing. I didn't volunteer to fight, which I do regret from time to time. But I do not recall any such talk against Canadians after 9/11. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone would. Maybe they mistook you for the French? But even that wouldn't make sense after 9/11. Maybe at the time of the run-up to the Iraq war or some other point in time when the French gov't was being run by the unfortunate Jacques Chirac. Still, what I took from the post was that the Canadians in your true-to-life story were being harrassed because they refused to put up American flags after 9/11. Or perhaps there is more to this story that wasn't told, like maybe some of their conversation was not very nice to America or something. See I don't know the other side of the story. Maybe they didn't care if these people were Canadian at all, but just didn't like them for some reason.
I can't wait till 2008 either. Whoever wins the election is gonna come out of a very tough year and a half. It will be thrilling to see what happens.
"Because here’s the thing about life: There’s no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days when you need a hand. There are other days when we’re called to lend a hand." -- President Joe Biden, 01/20/2021
criddic. You are as stupid as you are uninformed about "foreigners". You misunderstood, as usual, for your own purposes, how needlessly threatened Canadians were in 2001 to2004. It is as if WE were the enemy, because we did not support the ridiculous charade of war-mongering that you seem to defend.
Don't notice YOU going to war for your country as my father, both grandfaters, and three uncles did.
Possibly you are as chicken as you are stupid, or maybe you did not pass the intelligence test, or argued with your superiors. How glad I am that I don't know you personally. I can hardly with till 2008. Bye criddic.
BAGHDAD - Fourteen American soldiers were killed in three deadly days in Iraq, the U.S. military said Sunday, including four in a single roadside bombing and one who was struck by a suicide bomber while on a foot patrol southwest of the capital.
The blast that killed the four soldiers occurred Sunday as the troops were conducting a cordon and search operation northwest of the Iraqi capital, according to a statement. Two other soldiers from Multi-National Division — Baghdad were killed and five were wounded along with an Iraqi interpreter in two separate roadside bombings on Sunday, the military said.
One soldier was killed Friday after the patrol approached two suspicious men for questioning near a mosque, and one of the suspects blew himself up, according to a statement. The military did not provide more details.
Seven others troops were killed in a series of attacks across Iraq on Saturday.
The deaths raised to at least 3,493 members of the U.S. military who have died since the war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
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And here's another example that this surge is making such "progress" (I'm still wondering what that "progress" is):
Some Army posts to end individual memorials
By Michelle Tan - Staff writer
Army Times
Posted : Saturday Jun 2, 2007 11:27:59 EDT
Soldiers from Fort Lewis, Wash., and Fort Drum, N.Y., who are killed in combat will be honored during monthly group memorials instead of individual services beginning in June.
At Fort Lewis, the decision was announced in a May 22 e-mail from Brig. Gen. William Troy, the acting commanding general of I Corps and Fort Lewis, to the command and staff on post, said Joe Piek, a Fort Lewis spokesman. The first group memorial is expected to take place the third week of June.
“As much as we would like to think otherwise, I am afraid that with the number of soldiers we now have in harm’s way, our losses will preclude us from continuing to do individual memorial ceremonies,” Troy wrote in his e-mail. “I see this as a way of sharing the heavy burdens our spouses and rear detachments bear, while giving our fallen warriors the respect they deserve. It will also give the families of the fallen the opportunity to bond with one another, as they see others who share their grief.”
Group memorial services already are taking place at other Army posts, Piek said.
Nineteen Fort Lewis soldiers were killed in Iraq in May, and the Fort Lewis community has lost nine soldiers in Operation Enduring Freedom and 117 soldiers in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Also, an Air Force master sergeant killed in Iraq was stationed at Fort Lewis.
More than 10,000 of the post’s 28,000 soldiers are deployed, including soldiers from the 2nd Infantry Division’s 3rd and 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Teams and more than 20 smaller units, Piek said.
The group memorials will be “a way for the greater Fort Lewis community to come together once a month to honor our fallen warriors,” Piek said.
Officials also are “doing this to help take some of the planning off of the shoulders of the rear detachment members” who also “have a significant other mission of continuing to train soldiers and taking care of soldiers’ families who are here on post,” he said.
Troy discussed having monthly memorial ceremonies with commanders overseas, rear detachment commanders and family readiness group leaders, Piek said.
Post officials have received “a couple of phone calls” from people who have expressed concern about eliminating individual memorial services, Piek said.
“The best way for us to look at this is the memorial service we do here at Fort Lewis is truly the public’s only opportunity to come together and remember our fallen soldiers,” Piek said.
All this stuff about secrecy. Like we should be allowed to know the administrations every move. Like we should know every move the CIA, the FBI and Homeland Security makes. This is lunacy. Revealing every secret the government has hampers our ability to stay safe. Of course there are some secrets. There always have been. In EVERY administration some things were not revealed to the public. The false sense of alarm opposers of Bush have is simply ridiculous, and it's hate-oriented.
cam thinks that people were cruel to talk about them as "those Canadians." Well, I'm sorry but anyone who refused to show a sense of compassion or solidarity towards their temporary/vacation country (you couldn't even put up a little flag as a show of support? even countries who don't normally like us waved flags and lit candles) just after the horrible events of 9/11 was going to find some of that resentment.
I'm not as ill-informed as you think cam. Maybe I don't translate well in this format, or maybe some people are so blinded by their hatred of this administration, but I read a lot about the politics of the day, the events of the day. I just don't agree with you that this President is evil. Whether it's 27%, 30% or 34%, the numbers are low mainly because of frustration over Iraq. That could change with the promising progress being made right now. If that continues and people are informed of it, those numbers could improve. I'm not betting on it, but poll numbers change. Politics never stay the same in terms of public opinion. Two years ago, President Bush was re-elected with 51% of the popular vote and carrying something like 31 of 50 states. In September of 2006, he rose to 44% approval in polls if only briefly. So I wouldn't count on poll numbers too much. Most people don't hate the President, but they hate the Iraq situation or disagree on some other issues. Personally, they don't hate him. Not like you do.
"Because here’s the thing about life: There’s no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days when you need a hand. There are other days when we’re called to lend a hand." -- President Joe Biden, 01/20/2021
Wes, that is why we do not want to go there any more than possible. The lack of civil liberties that you experience in the States, we do not find here. Even with a middle-right Prime Minister, who is subject to the same "you are not right enough for us" in the Prairies( your Midwest).
cam wrote:And you think criddic is ill-informed, even for an apparently intelligent man? Well, all I can say is look at the polls--27%( last I read) would support Bush, and subsequently the GOP. There are other like criddic. One just doesn't argue politics with them. It is like talking to a wall.
A rather crooked and crumbling wall built on the backs of our civil liberties.
Wesley Lovell
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
