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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:49 am
by Sabin
nope. burn it. ride off into the sunset.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:57 pm
by Zahveed
Here, here
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:37 pm
by Big Magilla
This thread, like so many lately, got off on the wrong foot and has pretty much stayed there, for which I am in part to blame.
Wesley puts a lot of work into compiling the OFTAs and those of us who participate in them put a lot of thought into them as well. To call them irrevelevant because of a differnce of opinion as to whteher Gregory Peck or John Wayne is more deserving of being included in the Hall of Fame seems to me to be as unfair as it unkind.
John Wayne was a finalist this year. He'll get in sooner or later.
Instead of deriding the exclusions, we should be celebrating the inlcusions and patting ourselves on the back for making some excellent choices this year.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:10 pm
by Cinemanolis
Damien wrote:That John Wayne -- one of the true, great American film icons (certainly more so than Gregory Peck and even Fred Astaire) -- is not in the Hall of Fame makes the OFTA seem pretty silly and irrelevant.
Or it makes it seem ... international. I am saying that because since as i understand there are a lot of non-americans who vote, John Wayne may not seem as important or iconic to them, as he obviously is to americans. Just a thought...
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:42 pm
by Akash
I'll strike the match. Seriously, Anthony Hopkins?
Add me to the John Wayne love train.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:37 pm
by Sabin
i'm with Damien. let's burn this motherfucker down.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:07 pm
by Zahveed
Big Magilla wrote:Proposed changes would have a select committe make recommendations to the entire membership.
This would be a helpful change, especially for young members with insufficient knowledge to make these kind of calls.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:44 pm
by Big Magilla
Zahveed wrote:How are other Hall of Fame inductees selected in other groups? OFTAA could adopt that process with a few minor adjustments here and there to make it somewhat unique.
At present selections are made by the entire membership without benefit of recommendation so whoever happens to pop into the most heads at nomiantiions time gets the benefit of a nomination.
Proposed changes would have a select committe make recommendations to the entire membership.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:20 pm
by Damien
That John Wayne -- one of the true, great American film icons (certainly more so than Gregory Peck and even Fred Astaire) -- is not in the Hall of Fame makes the OFTA seem pretty silly and irrelevant.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:42 am
by Zahveed
How are other Hall of Fame inductees selected in other groups? OFTAA could adopt that process with a few minor adjustments here and there to make it somewhat unique.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:16 am
by Big Magilla
Let's not blow this out of proportion. The problem has to do with the way Hall of Fame inductees are selected and that is being addressed.
Let's keep in mind that OFTAA was the first organization to recognize performers in this manner. All these years later Gold Derby is copying us. Its potential inductees include people we've already recognized.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:44 am
by Sabin
I suppose, Zahveed. I'm by no means a John Wayne fiend but it's just odd. I guess the Hopkins thing is a fluke.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:58 am
by OscarGuy
Anthony Hopkins was admitted in 1997. That's 10 years ago. AND it was only one individual out of 24 that you're objecting to.
And there's another little point. In the first few years of the Hall of Fame, rules were quite a bit different, but regardless, Hopkins still was admitted to the Hall of Fame. John Wayne probably wasn't even a finalist then. He's only really emerged as contender in recent years.
And, Zahveed's right, with only a handful complaining (only one of which is an actual voting member), it may be a case of similar thought that he's just not more important than Gregory Peck or Fred Astaire.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:29 am
by Zahveed
Sabin wrote:Yes! He's John Wayne! Diablo Cody before Charlie Kaufman? Tony Scott before Andrei Tarkovsky? ABBA before Dylan? He's John Fucking Wayne! I love Gregory Peck and Fred Astaire but Anthony Hopkins is in there for Christ's sake!
Hopkins was inducted in a previous yea, so arguing that now is a little pointless. This year it was Peck and Astaire over Wayne. Just because he didn't get in doesn't mean he wasn't voted on, he was just given less votes by the members as a whole. There's only a people on this board making the Wayne argument and it probably equates to the few people in OFTA giving all their points to him.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:19 am
by Sabin
Yes! He's John Wayne! Diablo Cody before Charlie Kaufman? Tony Scott before Andrei Tarkovsky? ABBA before Dylan? He's John Fucking Wayne! I love Gregory Peck and Fred Astaire but Anthony Hopkins is in there for Christ's sake!