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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby OscarGuy » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:25 pm

Warren 14
Buttigieg/Yang/Steyer 11
Klobuchar/Sanders 10
Bloomberg 8
Biden 7
Gabbard 6
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby danfrank » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:45 am

Warren clobbered everybody else in this test for me. I’ve never been undecided in a presidential race so close to an election (California’s is on Super Tuesday this year). Typically in the primary I vote for the person who most closely matches me ideologically, but never has the electability factor been so crucial. The polls right now seem to indicate that Warren is slightly less electable than some of the other candidates. So I’m torn. What would be ideal is a charismatic candidate who’s is a little on the progressive side of moderate, with tough skin and some fighting chops. I’m having trouble finding that candidate.

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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Precious Doll » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:13 am

Interesting survey. I got Yang 12, Warren 11, Buttigieg 10, Bloomberg, Klobuchar & Steyer all 9.

My partner got Bloomberg 16, Biden 15, Steyer 14, Klobuchar 13, Bittugueg 11 and Yang on 10.

We both had Sanders last.
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Heksagon » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:47 am

I'm always curious about doing these political "who agreed with you" tests even if I don't take them very seriously and even when it's not an election that directly concerns me. My top were Bloomberg at 11 followed by Biden and Klobuchar at 10.

I feel a lot of the questions to be unimportant or more complex than what can be answered with the multiple-choice answers that the quiz offers. If I removed those, it left eight questions, and Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar, Steyer and Yang all agreed with me on five.

But even of those questions many were such that the candidate's ability to influence those would be minor even if elected. IMHO, the two most important questions there - especially from an international point of view, and considering the president's ability to influence them - are whether they would commit to reducing national debt and joining TPP and only Biden and Bloomberg would agree with me that those both should be done.

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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Sabin » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:21 am

I got Warren at 16, Sanders and Steyer at 14, Gabbard at 11, Buttigieg and Klobuchar at 10, and Biden and Bloomberg at 8.

So... I like these guys.
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Big Magilla » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:42 pm

I got Klobuchar and Steyer at 14, followed by Buttigieg at 13, Blumberg at 12, Biden at 11, Warren and Yang at 10 and Sanders and Gabbard at 6.

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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Okri » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:16 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... s-with-me/

Which Democratic Candidate do you agree with the most? In a surprise, my top two were Warren and Steyer (15/20). Warren ekes out ahead if I remove the two questions I really felt unqualified to answer.

Biden was in last.

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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Sabin » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:18 pm

Big Magilla wrote
So much going on in politics today that this news hardly makes a blip.

My theory is that people are sick of all the noise with Trump in our faces all day every day.

They (we?) want someone who will just get the job done which is something that both Biden and Mayor Pete project. Harris was there until she made a spectacle of herself going after Biden on school busing in the 70s, something no one else cares about.

Bernie and Warren still have their supporters, but neither one seems to be picking up anyone new.

Harris and Booker are strong possible VP candidates.

I'm pretty much tuning out impeachment talk. Wake me up when 20 Republican senators turn on him.

But I don't know if I agree with you that nobody cares about Joe Biden's history with race relations. I'm certainly bothered by it -- or rather, I'm bothered by the fact that he refuses to admit that he ever did anything wrong. No matter what he's does in the past, he never says "Yeah, I screwed up." We already have a President like that. I'm planning on being on this planet for a long time. There are a lot of problems in this country. I want a President who at least acknowledges them and wants to combat them for change. For all her flaws, Kamala Harris did that and the response I hear from a lot of people is "I'd like it quieter than it is right now." Well, I personally don't.

I never thought we'd counter a right-wing MAGA campaign with a left-leaning MAGA campaign for the sake of how it makes us feel.
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Big Magilla » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:14 pm

So much going on in politics today that this news hardly makes a blip.

My theory is that people are sick of all the noise with Trump in our faces all day every day.

They (we?) want someone who will just get the job done which is something that both Biden and Mayor Pete project. Harris was there until she made a spectacle of herself going after Biden on school busing in the 70s, something no one else cares about.

Bernie and Warren still have their supporters, but neither one seems to be picking up anyone new.

Harris and Booker are strong possible VP candidates.

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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Sabin » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:30 pm

Kamala Harris drops out of the race.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politi ... ace-074902

Everyone is writing their own moratoriums on Sen. Harris' campaign and why it did not succeed. My reasoning is simple. During a primary, the race reveals itself. This race is clearly "Moderates vs. Progressives." One group (Biden, Buttigieg) wants a Post-Trump nation to look like a Pre-Trump nation, the other (Sanders, Warren) wants a Post-Trump nation to change and look fundamentally different. Kamala Harris ran as a Prosecutor, prosecuting Trump, prosecuting misogyny, prosecuting racism. And she wasn't alone. Kristen Gillibrand did this. Cory Booker and Julian Castro are still doing it. And it turns out there wasn't really room for a third lane. The "Prosecution Lane" got shouldered out of the race. There are A LOT of reasons why, but her lane completely disappeared live on TV before our eyes, and once your lane is gone, that's it.

A good President does two things. They move the country forward and they make government work. This sounds simple but it's a herculean task. Regardless of one's political ideology, history shines a light on those who rise to this occasion. There are things about Kamala Harris that I do not like but she's consistently been one of the only candidates running who were MAYBE up to this task. She's been one of the few people running who I would want to be my President.
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Sabin » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:50 pm

It turns out "Corn Pop" was the best part of Story Time with Joe Biden that day.

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/so-strange-b ... ing-my-lap


I've actually recently watched a few clips of Joe Biden from the 1980's and 1990's and the man has never really had the sturdiest train of thought. Which is okay. Some people aren't the best at speaking off-the-cuff in front of huge crowds of people. Joe Biden has always started his sentences strong and then halfway through he hits a bump or two and it sort of goes wherever. That doesn't really matter. But this is different. This is very concerning. What the hell is he even talking about? If Donald Trump got out there and gave this exact story, we'd all be saying "25th Amendment."
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Greg » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:43 pm

The left smells a rat in Bloomberg, Patrick bids:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... 020-071322
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Greg » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:37 pm

A campaign ad by Elizabeth Warren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN0a_ZhYjac

An inadvertent ad for Elizabeth Warren:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/14/lloyd-b ... r-dna.html
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Greg » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:52 pm

Sanders, campaigning with AOC, says potential Bloomberg bid shows 'the arrogance of billionaires':

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sanders ... d=66881233
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Re: Campaign 2020

Postby Sabin » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:52 pm

Just an observation...

I've been on this board now since '98 or '99. Certainly, my interest in politics has increased significantly over the years. I'm not sure there WAS a current events thread during the 2000 election. But I remember the 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016 primaries and elections.

It says something about the state of the Democratic primary that it's entirely possible all of us will be supporting different candidates. Not only that but we are discussing things like insurance plans with something between passion and anger when we know goddamn well these are just goal posts. I say this not just about this message board but everywhere I go.

The Left has never been so angry and it's never had so many good candidates in one election. This is not 2004 when we had John Kerry, John Edwards, and Howard Dean.

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