And I also have a standard to set when I've seen movies like Doogal and Vamps: Deadly Dreamgirls. You can't honestly say films like Da Vinci Code weren't without their merit...mainly because there are tons of films that are FAR worse...
And those who grouse over such a "high" rating, are those who won't even watch those lower echelon films and thus won't be able to appreciate the ability of filmmakers to achieve that passable quality.
Razzie predictions? :)
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I tend to rate on the high side as well. For me ****/A means excellent - highly recommended; ***1/2/B means very good, recommended; ***/C means has some good things in it - recommended with reservations; **1/2/C means fair - not a complete waste of time but nothing to get excited about either; **/D means bad - don't waste your time; */F means total garbage - don't say you weren't warned.OscarGuy wrote:** 1/2 is not a terrific rating. I actually consider that less than average. *** is my I like it enough to at least recommend it to someone rating. ** 1/2 would traditionally earn a rotten in my postings to RT.
I laughed out loud when I heard a sixth Rocky movie was coming out. I could not imagine there was any interest in Rocky Balboa. Filmgoers today either have little or no memory of the Rocky films or remember that the last three or four were dreadful.
But I think this film will have an audience and avoid Razzies because, according to all of the reviews I have heard and read, it is good. I have no interest in seeing it, but I think a lot of people will. There are quite a few people of my generation (I was fifteen when the first Rocky film came out) who remember the first film with affection (hey, the first four were hits). And this film supposedly has the look and feel of the first Rocky film. If these critics are right, this one will get good word of mouth and could be a hit. Not a blockbuster, but a moneymaker.
Metacritic has only five reviews but they are all by major critics and are all favorable (high of 75 by Owen Gleiberman at Entertainment Weekly down to 60 by Variety's Robert Koehler). No raves but not Razzie material.
Edelstein's review has a good line (Metacritic gave his review a 70): "...try to halve your IQ-aim for something between a baboon and a lemur-you might even think it is a masterpiece." But his review is favorable. That it probably a good description of this film, and some may say the same of the original. Sure it was overrated and had no business winning BP over All The President's Men or Taxi Driver. But we have forgotten how much fun it was for many of us the first time we saw Rocky Balboa.
He was so goofy and charming when he started courting Adrian but a lot of women's hearts melted when he stripped down to his t-shirt and started to kiss her at the end of that first date (that was a sexy scene and Talia Shire never even took off her wool cap, jacket or glasses.). I liked how he named his turtles Cuff and Link. I liked how he described to Burt Young why he liked his sister Adrian: "Together we fill gaps." People who knew Rocky Balboa as the robot from the next three films missed out on a great character.
And if word gets around that the original Rocky Balboa is back there will be an audience. So far, the critics are giving audiences good news. The story is of course different. This Rocky has to deal with the problems of aging and losing his loved ones. But the Rocky dealing with these issues is the original Rocky, not the robot from the later films. I think people will show up.
I hope this does not encourage him to go through with the fourth Rambo film.
But I think this film will have an audience and avoid Razzies because, according to all of the reviews I have heard and read, it is good. I have no interest in seeing it, but I think a lot of people will. There are quite a few people of my generation (I was fifteen when the first Rocky film came out) who remember the first film with affection (hey, the first four were hits). And this film supposedly has the look and feel of the first Rocky film. If these critics are right, this one will get good word of mouth and could be a hit. Not a blockbuster, but a moneymaker.
Metacritic has only five reviews but they are all by major critics and are all favorable (high of 75 by Owen Gleiberman at Entertainment Weekly down to 60 by Variety's Robert Koehler). No raves but not Razzie material.
Edelstein's review has a good line (Metacritic gave his review a 70): "...try to halve your IQ-aim for something between a baboon and a lemur-you might even think it is a masterpiece." But his review is favorable. That it probably a good description of this film, and some may say the same of the original. Sure it was overrated and had no business winning BP over All The President's Men or Taxi Driver. But we have forgotten how much fun it was for many of us the first time we saw Rocky Balboa.
He was so goofy and charming when he started courting Adrian but a lot of women's hearts melted when he stripped down to his t-shirt and started to kiss her at the end of that first date (that was a sexy scene and Talia Shire never even took off her wool cap, jacket or glasses.). I liked how he named his turtles Cuff and Link. I liked how he described to Burt Young why he liked his sister Adrian: "Together we fill gaps." People who knew Rocky Balboa as the robot from the next three films missed out on a great character.
And if word gets around that the original Rocky Balboa is back there will be an audience. So far, the critics are giving audiences good news. The story is of course different. This Rocky has to deal with the problems of aging and losing his loved ones. But the Rocky dealing with these issues is the original Rocky, not the robot from the later films. I think people will show up.
I hope this does not encourage him to go through with the fourth Rambo film.
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I'm really getting tired of your condescending attitude. All you've been doing lately is deriding other people's opinions. I have no love for the book, though the book is better than the movie. I think both are rather weak in many respects but they pose interesting moral questions, so they get an average response.Sabin wrote:Jesus Christ, imdb ranking is one of the few things less reliable than rottentomatoes. If you have this misplaced affection for the book that is clouding your judgment on the movie, I assure as somebody who has not read the book and would rather just watch a documentary about the whole thing, there is nothing special up there on the screen in the least.
Roger Ebert has liked a lot of movies that have gotten Razzie nods. Roger Ebert liked 'Speed 2'. 'The Da Vinci Code' was roundly lambasted upon its release and nothing has changed. It's the worst movie Ron Howard has ever made and if 'How the Grinch Stole Christmas' can get him a Worst Director nod, so can this.
There is no love of the book clouding my judgment. I just like movies that make me think even if it's NOT what they are specifically trying to get me to think about.
** 1/2 is not a terrific rating. I actually consider that less than average. *** is my I like it enough to at least recommend it to someone rating. ** 1/2 would traditionally earn a rotten in my postings to RT.
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I've seen it once in theaters, and the same thing happened.Eric wrote:I have seen the preview in theaters at least three times, and each time it was accompanied by derisive laughter.
My brother-in-law wants to see it, but I can't think of anyone else who wants to see it for any reason other than to laugh at it. It is getting decent enough reviews though, that it might manage to stay off of the Razzie list.
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criddic3 wrote:Except this time I think people are actually rooting for Rocky to be a good movie.
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I have heard many people say how much they want to see this movie, ever since it was announced.
God, has Blockbuster expanded recently, because they seem to exist on another planet from me. I have seen the preview in theaters at least three times, and each time it was accompanied by derisive laughter.
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You mean you want him to go away.
I have heard many people say how much they want to see this movie, ever since it was announced. I work in a video store and I hear what average movie-goers of all stripes what to see. It doesn't always mean they make smart choices, but a lot of people are interested in seeing how Sly does with this one.
I have heard many people say how much they want to see this movie, ever since it was announced. I work in a video store and I hear what average movie-goers of all stripes what to see. It doesn't always mean they make smart choices, but a lot of people are interested in seeing how Sly does with this one.
"Because here’s the thing about life: There’s no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days when you need a hand. There are other days when we’re called to lend a hand." -- President Joe Biden, 01/20/2021
Eric wrote:Big Magilla wrote:I like anonymous' nominations except for Sly Stallone.
With the possible exception of Bruce Willis, no one has been nominated for more Razzies than Stallone. He's in.
Except this time I think people are actually rooting for Rocky to be a good movie. People like Sly and want him to have a hit, so if the movie is as good as some critics are saying, it could be a nice change for people who remember the days when he and Ahnuld were kings at the box-office.
I always liked Schwarzenegger's films more, but the original Rocky is a true classic of its genre and it would be nice for the series to end on a high note. Razzies may like to nominate Stallone, but this may not be the year for it.
Sabin, I never caught Speed 2 but to be fair to Ebert, Gene Siskel actually agreed with him and they gave it "two thumbs up!" They said it was completely absurd but fun.
"Because here’s the thing about life: There’s no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days when you need a hand. There are other days when we’re called to lend a hand." -- President Joe Biden, 01/20/2021
'Rocky Balboa' is getting better reviews than expected, but a Rocky afficianado friend of mine said it's the second cheesiest 'Rocky' movie after 'Rocky IV'. That's a tall order. It could get a slew of nods, including no fewer than five for Stallone himself as the Producer, Actor, Director, Screenwriter, and Co-Star of the film. Shyamalan could do the same. The closest thing to a lock this year is M. Night for Worst Supporting Actor.
Also, Dane Cook is a lead for 'Employee of the Month'.
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Also, Dane Cook is a lead for 'Employee of the Month'.
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Jesus Christ, imdb ranking is one of the few things less reliable than rottentomatoes. If you have this misplaced affection for the book that is clouding your judgment on the movie, I assure as somebody who has not read the book and would rather just watch a documentary about the whole thing, there is nothing special up there on the screen in the least.
Roger Ebert has liked a lot of movies that have gotten Razzie nods. Roger Ebert liked 'Speed 2'. 'The Da Vinci Code' was roundly lambasted upon its release and nothing has changed. It's the worst movie Ron Howard has ever made and if 'How the Grinch Stole Christmas' can get him a Worst Director nod, so can this.
Roger Ebert has liked a lot of movies that have gotten Razzie nods. Roger Ebert liked 'Speed 2'. 'The Da Vinci Code' was roundly lambasted upon its release and nothing has changed. It's the worst movie Ron Howard has ever made and if 'How the Grinch Stole Christmas' can get him a Worst Director nod, so can this.
"How's the despair?"
Sabin wrote:No, it's the public who hates movies just like I do. NOBODY liked 'The Da Vinci Code'. The fact that you gave it **1/2 puts you in the vast minority. People HATED 'The Da Vinci Code'. Everybody saw the movie. Once. It is a top contender.
Roger Ebert gave it 3, although he described the premise as "ridiculous."
Some people (customers) have actually told me they enjoyed it, which puzzles me. But it's because of this wierd backlash against critics. If enough critics love a movie (like Brokeback Mountain) or they hate a movie enough, some people like to be different and say the opposite. It's possible they actually liked it, but I bet they are the same people who liked Nacho Libre or who couldn't wait to see jackass 2 in theaters, which surprisingly doesn't only include teen males. And I'm not a guy who likes to sound "elitist."
"Because here’s the thing about life: There’s no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days when you need a hand. There are other days when we’re called to lend a hand." -- President Joe Biden, 01/20/2021