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Sorry, Taki. I misunderstood what you wrote. Yes, if SCOTUS affirms the decision, it would be nationwide. That said, they are cowards and 3 of them are appointed by Trump himself. I can't imagine that the 3 of them and the two ultra-conservatives that preceded them will agree to allow Trump to be kicked off the ballot. They'll find a procedural reason to do it. And the Colorado decision was made by an all-Democrat-appointed state supreme court and I believe it was 3 of the Dem appointees disagreed with the judgment.
This would be all so much easier if he were a convicted insurrectionist. Then the courts would have no choice by to accept that concept.
This would be all so much easier if he were a convicted insurrectionist. Then the courts would have no choice by to accept that concept.
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I was watching some news yesterday and I heard someone say that Democrats and liberals are basically waiting for a manager to show up and ask Donald Trump to leave. I know that's reductive but that's the mindset. Like, no, no, eventually the manager will show up. Nobody can act like this forever. After all, this is a family-style restaurant. I don't want to be reductive towards the efforts that have been made both inside and outside of government to stop this guy. These are high-stress, high-researched jobs tackled by people who are a lot smarter than me. If SCOTUS does this, then they will be the manager we have been waiting for. My opinion? I don't know what's going to happen in the coming year. I don't have a good feeling about things in general (as I've expressed) but I just don't think a manager is coming.
Someone tell me how I'm wrong. I recall Tee writing that woe-is-mee-ing liberals thought Nixon would be President for life right up until the day before he resigned.
Someone tell me how I'm wrong. I recall Tee writing that woe-is-mee-ing liberals thought Nixon would be President for life right up until the day before he resigned.
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If SCOTUS rules that Trump should be disqualified there is no way in hell any state court will just ignore its decision. Whether a person is typically (dis)qualified or not to become president is a federal issue and will be decided based on the federal constitution. Minnesota and other state supreme courts punted on technicalities exactly because they are waiting the Supremes for guidance.
This isn't like Dobbs where they kicked the issue back to the states.
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Not in this country, it isn't. You should see how others are dismissing it. Nobody believes anything will come of it.
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No. Any state where the Republicans out number the Democrats on the state supreme courts will not disqualify. I believe Minnesota has already decreed that he is not disqualified, so there are two states with differing results.
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That's a bizarre way to trivialize this case. In the unlikely scenario that SCOTUS lets the Colorado ruling stand then it's guaranteed that Trump will be disqualified from the other 49 states' ballots too.Sonic Youth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:37 pmAnd it's not like he was gonna win Colorado anyway.
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And it's not like he was gonna win Colorado anyway.
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I doubt if the Supreme Court will uphold this ruling, but it is interesting.
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/politics ... id=ios_app
Pretty big news. Has to be unprecedented, right?
Pretty big news. Has to be unprecedented, right?
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I was in Tuscaloosa for a conference Tuesday and Wednesday, and when I say that debate inconvenienced every person in that town, I mean it. It was held in the building right beside the conference center I was in; the parking deck for the conference center had to be closed for 24+ hours, major roads in the middle of Tuscaloosa had to be shut down (and the University is right in the middle of the city). DeSantis' team was staying at the hotel I was at, or at least I assume they were: lots of big black SUV's with Florida tags were out there in the parking lot.
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They also need the words "Presidential" Debate in quotation marks. Not for how un-Presidential they are but for what a kiddie table this is.Greg wrote
I saw excerpts from the most recent Republican Presidential debate on YouTube. These debates don't need moderators; they need kindergarten teachers.
I'm reading a book called Birchers about the history of the JBS and it's just remarkable how much JBS BS tension this party still has -- and has been overtaken by.
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I saw excerpts from the most recent Republican Presidential debate on YouTube. These debates don't need moderators; they need kindergarten teachers.
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and it would be "backed by the Koch Brother" since one of them is dead...we can only hope the other kicks the bucket soon and their children aren't giant penises like Trump's kids are.
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Okay, so this last point was my question. How much do Ohioans know about LaRose's efforts? If they do (as you're saying), then he's fucked. I assumed LaRose had the nomination in the bag and Brown has a normy appeal that seems pretty genuine.Bog wrote
Sherrod is just a flat out anomaly here ...and despite the look of my state...has the ability to hold his seat potentially with ease.
Yes it was midterms, but he doubled up on the blue guys running for the house in 2018. Trump also has enormous edges in polling right now v. Biden (while Joe beats all the other 4), but Brown trucks right along. Without fully studying the map...I'm not sure there's another case like this guy and it sure DOES continually blow my mind as we delve further and further into dark redness...
Ohioan "pubs" (of a certain age) don't seem eager to run to the polls other than to emphatically vote Trump....allowing abortion/marijuana to FLYYY through with ease, as well as (like Sabin mentioned) the sheer odiousness of the contenders:
Moreno is FULL on Trumping his campaign and Frank LaRose is the guy EVERYONE now knows was behind the attempt to further ban abortions on this last ballot. Dolan is the only sensible Voinovich-esque candidate that could challenge Sherrod...and he won't come close to making it out of the primary.....fucked up world we live inside of 2023/2024.
Here's what I'm wondering though: is that going to work when Trump is on the top of the ticket and he backs LaRose? Trump usually over-performs when he's at the top of the ticket.
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