1927 Oscar Shouldabeens

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I gave up that subscription, but I did look for that when I had it.
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Magilla, if you still have Newspapers.com why don't you check to see if you can track down the missing Golden Globe nominees from the first decade.
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Reza wrote:Wonder why the eligibility dates during the first few years were so wonky. Why not go according to the calander year from January to December.
I've never seen an explanation as to why the early awards had such an odd from-to date, which was corrected with the 1933 awards that went by a strict calendar year. Then they tinkered with that, stretching the eligibility period through January 12 of the following year beginning with the 1937 awards and ending abruptly with the 1941 awards, the eligibility period pulled back from January 12, 1943, to December 31, 1942, at the last minute.

I've never fully understood why the New York and Los Angeles release dates were so askew. Traditionally, major films had flashy premieres in both cities in the days when the stars traveled by train so a delay of a week between the two premieres made sense but sometimes a film would have a gala premiere in Los Angeles or environs as far away as Palm Springs and not have a general release until weeks later, often after it opened to continuous performances in New York. Films were not eligible for Oscar consideration unless they played a minimum of six continuous days in L.A. That explains why the release date information on IMDb. is not always accurate for films in the first decade or so of Oscar's history.
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Wonder why the eligibility dates during the first few years were so wonky. Why not go according to the calander year from January to December.
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Reza wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:The IMDb. release date page for Flesh and the Devil has been revised:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016884/re ... tt_ql_dt_2
Wonder why this film, and especially Garbo, got snubbed. It was a huge hit at the boxoffice. Surely MGM would have backed it.
It was still outside of the eligibility date for the 1927/28 Oscars which ran from August 1, 1927 through July 31, 1928.

We know that the eligibility dates were not strictly adhered to as evidenced by the inclusion of 7th Heaven which opened well before August 1, 1927 but was still running on that date whereas films that had come and gone earlier in the year such as Flesh and the Devil, Metropolis and The General were shut out. Keaton's Steamboat Bill, Jr. had opened within the timeframe so it could have been nominated but wasn't. Keaton's next film, The Cameraman, opened on August 1, 1928, just missing the cut-off.
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Big Magilla wrote:The IMDb. release date page for Flesh and the Devil has been revised:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016884/re ... tt_ql_dt_2
Wonder why this film, and especially Garbo, got snubbed. It was a huge hit at the boxoffice. Surely MGM would have backed it.
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1927

Best Picture
Flesh and the Devil
Metropolis
7th Heaven
*Sunrise
Wings

Best Actor
Lon Chaney, The Unknown
Charles Farrell, 7th Heaven
John Gilbert, Flesh and the Devil
*Buster Keaton, The General
George O’Brien, Sunrise

Best Actress
Clara Bow, It
Greta Garbo, Flesh and the Devil
*Janet Gaynor, 7th Heaven
Brigitte Helm, Metropolis
Mary Pickford, My Best Girl

Best Supporting Actor
Clive Brook, Underworld
Lars Hanson, Flesh and the Devil
*Jean Hersholt, The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg
Warner Oland, The Jazz Singer
Gustav von Seyffertitz, The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg

Best Supporting Actress
Evelyn Brent, Underworld
Gladys Brockwell, 7th Heaven
*Louise Dresser, Mr. Wu
Barbara Kent, Flesh and the Devil
Margaret Livingston, Sunrise

Best Director
Frank Borzage, 7th Heaven
Clarence Brown, Flesh and the Devil
Fritz Lang, Metropolis
*F.W. Murnau, Sunrise
William A. Wellman, Wings
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Vindication at long last!

I finally bit the bullet and signed up for access to the Newspapers.com archives so I could research the L.A. Times and other papers. The L.A. Times itself offers limited access to their archives going back only as far as 1985 and hiding all the ads. The Newspapers.com website has all their papers in full going back to 1851.

I was finally able to confirm that Flesh and the Devil was indeed a 1927 release in L.A. The December 12, 1926 date on IMDb. is the date of the film's stand-alone premiere. It didn't begin regular showings until February 3, 1927 and wasn't reviewed by the L.A. Times until February 5, 1927. This was four weeks after the film's highly successful run at the Capitol in NYC beginning on January 8, 1927.

I also researched The Bitter Tea of General Yen to confirm that its L.A. release date was 1933, not 1932.

All That Heaven Allows, was however, a 1955 release in L.A. despite some confusion to the contrary. It had a continuous run beginning December 25, 1955, not a stand-alone premiere. It has a nice big ad in the Christmas Day edition of the L.A. Times.

Thanks to my input, the IMDb. release date page for Flesh and the Devil has been revised:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016884/re ... tt_ql_dt_2
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BEST PICTURE
01. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (dir. F.W. Murnau)
02. Metropolis (dir. Fritz Lang)
03. The Unknown (dir. Tod Browning)
04. The General (dir. Clyde Bruckman & Buster Keaton)
05. Bed and Sofa (dir. Abram Room)
06. The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog (dir. Alfred Hitchcock)
07. Napoléon (dir. Abel Gance)
08. Underworld (dir. Josef von Sternberg)
09. It (dir. Clarence Badger)
10. 7th Heaven (dir. Frank Borzage)

BEST DIRECTOR
01. F.W. Murnau, Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
02. Fritz Lang, Metropolis
03. Tod Browning, The Unknown
04. Abram Room, Bed and Sofa
05. Alfred Hitchcock, The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog

BEST ACTOR
01. Lon Chaney, The Unknown
02. George O'Brien, Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
03. George Bancroft, Underworld
04. Alfred Abel, Metropolis
05. Albert Dioudonné, Napoléon

BEST ACTRESS
01. Janet Gaynor, Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
02. Lyudmila Semyonova, Bed and Sofa
03. Clara Bow, It
04. Greta Garbo, Love
05. Mary Pickford, My Best Girl

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
01. Rudolf Klein-Rogge, Metropolis
02. John George, The Unknown
03. Clive Brook, Underworld
04. Conrad Veidt, The Beloved Rogue
05. Vladimir Fogel, Bed and Sofa

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
01. Gladys Brockwell, 7th Heaven
02. Evelyn Brent, Underworld
03. Gina Manès, Napoléon
04. Flora Finch, The Cat and the Canary
05. Vera Baranovskaya, The End of St. Petersburg

BEST SCREENPLAY
01. Bed and Sofa (Abram Room, Viktor Shklovsky)
02. Underworld (Charles Furthman, Robert N. Lee)
03. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (Carl Mayer, based on "Die Reise nach Tilsit" by Hermann Sudermann)
04. The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog (Eliot Stannard, based on "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes)
05. The Unknown (Tod Browning, Waldemar Young)

BEST FILM EDITING
01. The General (Buster Keaton, Sherman Kell)
02. Napoléon (Marguerite Beaugé)
03. Wings (E. Lloyd Sheldon)
04. Bed and Sofa (Abram Room)
05. The Unknown (Harry Reynolds, Errol Taggart)

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
01. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (Charles Rosher, Karl Struss)
02. Metropolis (Karl Freund, Günther Rittau, Walter Ruttmann)
03. The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog (Gaetano di Ventimiglia)
04. Napoléon (Jules Kruger)
05. The King of Kings (Anne Bauchens, Harold McLernon)

BEST ART DIRECTION
01. Metropolis (Otto Hunte, Erich Kettelhut, Karl Vollbrecht)
02. The King of Kings (Mitchell Leisen)
03. Love (Cedric Gibbons, Alexander Toluboff)
04. Napoléon (Alexandre Benois & Alexandre Lochakoff)
05. 7th Heaven (Harry Oliver)

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
01. The Unknown (Lucia Coulter)
02. Napoléon (Mme. Augris, Georges Charmy, Mme. Neminsky)
03. The King of Kings (Adrian, Earl Luick, Gwen Wakeling)
04. Love (Gilbert Clark)
05. The Beloved Rogue (Frank Donnellan)

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
01. Wings (Roy Pomeroy, Barney Wolff)
02. Metropolis (Eugen Schüfftan, Erich Kettelhut, Ernst Kunstmann, Willy Muller, Hugo O. Schulze)
03. The King of Kings (Howard A. Anderson)
04. The General (Jack Little)
05. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (Frank D. Williams)

RESULTS
8 nominations: Napoléon
7 nominations: Metropolis (2 wins), Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (4 wins), The Unknown (2 wins)
6 nominations: Bed and Sofa (1 win)
5 nominations: Underworld
4 nominations: The King of Kings, The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog
3 nominations: The General (1 win), Love, 7th Heaven (1 win)
2 nominations: The Beloved Rogue, It, Wings (1 win)
1 nomination: The Cat and the Canary, The End of St. Petersburg, My Best Girl
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Definitely a good list. Anyone who can appreciate a movie like Sunrise (unlike that idiot Tom O'Neil) at the age of 15 certainly deserves respect.
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Big Magilla wrote:
jowy_jillia wrote:Best Actor - Al Johnson - The Jazz Singer
I think you mean Al Jolson.

This is quite an impressive list for a 15 year-old. Actually it's quite impressive for anyone. I hope to see more of your thoughts.
I mean of course Al Jolson.

And i thank you for your comment.
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Only Announcing the winner.

Best Picture - Sunrise
Best Director - F.W. Murnau - Sunrise
Best Actor - Ramon Novarro - The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg
Best Actress - Janet Gaynor - Sunrise (& Seventh Heaven)
Best Supporting Actor - Jean Hersholt - The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg
Best Supporting Actress - Priscilla Bonner - It
Best Screenplay - Sunrise
Best Cinematography - Sunrise
Best Editing - Wings
Best Art Direction - Sunrise
Best Costume Design - Love
Best Special Effects - Wings


May be subject for change.




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Picture:
The General
Metropolis
Seventh Heaven
The Student Prince In Old Heidelberg
Sunrise: A Song Of Two Humans

Actor:
Lon Chaney – The Unknown
Charles Farrell – Seventh Heaven
Buster Keaton – The General
Ramon Novarro – The Student Prince In Old Heidelberg
George O’Brien – Sunrise: A Song Of Two Humans

Actress:
Clara Bow – It
Janet Gaynor – Sunrise: A Song Of Two Humans
Brigitte Helm – Metropolis
Mary Pickford – My Best Girl
Norma Shearer – The Student Prince In Old Heidelberg

Supporting Actor:
Alfred Abel – Metropolis
Clive Brook - Underworld
Jean Hersholt – The Student Prince In Old Heidelberg
Conrad Veidt – The Beloved Rogue
Gustav Von Seyfertitz – The Student Prince In Old Heidelberg

Supporting Actress:
Evelyn Brent - Underworld
Gladys Brockwell – Seventh Heaven
Joan Crawford – The Unknown
Louise Dresser – Mr. Wu
Margaret Livingston – Sunrise: A Song Of Two Humans

Director:
Frank Borzage – Seventh Heaven
Fritz Lang – Metropolis
Ernst Lubitsch – The Student Prince In Old Heidelberg
F.W. Murnau – Sunrise: A Song Of Two Humans
Josef Von Sternberg - Underworld

Original:
Achmed Abdullah, Merion C. Cooper & Ernest Schoedsack – Chang: A Drama Of The Wilderness
Walter Anthony, Paul Bern & George Marion Jr. – The Beloved Rogue
T.J. Crizer, H.J. Green, J. Grey & T. Wilde – The Kid Brother
Douglas Fairbanks - The Gaucho
Brian Foy & Carl Harbaugh - College

Adapted:
Marian Ainslee, Ruth Cummings & Hans Kraly – The Student Prince In Old Heidelberg
H.H. Caldwell, Benjamin Glazer & Katherine Hilliker – Seventh Heaven
H.H. Caldwell, Katherine Hilliker & Carl Mayer – Sunrise: A Song Of Two Humans
Charles Furthman, Ben Hecht, Robert N. Lee & George Marion Jr. - Underworld
Fritz Lang & Thea Von Harbou - Metropolis
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1927
Best Picture
Flesh and the Devil
Metropolis
7th Heaven
The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg
*Sunrise

Best Actor
Richard Barthelmess, The Patent Leather Kid
Charles Farrell, 7th Heaven
John Gilbert, Flesh and the Devil
*Ramon Novarro, The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg
George O'Brien, Sunrise

Best Actress
Clara Bow, It
Brigitte Helm, Metropolis
Greta Garbo, Flesh and the Devil
*Janet Gaynor, 7th Heaven
Mary Pickford, My Best Girl

Best Supporting Actor
Clive Brook, Underworld
Lars Hanson, Flesh and the Devil
Rudolf Klein-Rogge, Metropolis
Warner Oland, The Jazz Singer
*Gustav Von Seyffertitz, The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg

Best Supporting Actress
Evelyn Brent, Underworld
Gladys Brockwell, 7th Heaven
Louise Dresser, Mr Wu
Barbara Kent, Flesh and the Devil
*Margaret Livingston, Sunrise

Best Director
Frank Borzage, 7th Heaven
Clarence Brown, Flesh and the Devil
Fritz Lang, Metropolis
Ernst Lubitsch, The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg
*F.W. Marnau, Sunrise
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1927

Best Picture:

The General
The Kid Brother
An Italian Straw Hat
Napoleon
*Sunrise

Best Actor:

Albert Dieudonne - Napoleon
Charles Farrell - 7th Heaven
Emil Jannings - The Way of All Flesh
Buster Keaton - The General
*George O'Brien - Sunrise

Best Actress:

Clara Bow - It
Janet Gaynor - 7th Heaven
*Janet Gaynor - Sunrise
Mary Pickford - My Best Girl
Norma Shearer - The Student Prince

Best Director:

Frank Borzage - 7th Heaven
Abel Gance - Napoleon
Buster Keaton - The General
Ernst Lubitsch - The Student Prince
*F.W. Murnau - Sunrise

I have Metropolis as a 1926 film which is why it isn't here.
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